Comments on: Hopscotch presentation video from lang.net http://blog.3plus4.org/2009/04/22/hopscotch-presentation-video-from-langnet/ The neighbourhood of 7 Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:21:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rob Grainger http://blog.3plus4.org/2009/04/22/hopscotch-presentation-video-from-langnet/comment-page-1/#comment-1730 Rob Grainger Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:19:31 +0000 http://blog.3plus4.org/?p=175#comment-1730 I neglected to say, though, that the Hopscotch IDE is otherwise in many senses massively superior. The Eiffel IDE suffers massively from panelitis, and it offers a very strange development model to people coming from either the dynamic language or static language approach. I neglected to say, though, that the Hopscotch IDE is otherwise in many senses massively superior. The Eiffel IDE suffers massively from panelitis, and it offers a very strange development model to people coming from either the dynamic language or static language approach.

]]> By: Rob Grainger http://blog.3plus4.org/2009/04/22/hopscotch-presentation-video-from-langnet/comment-page-1/#comment-1729 Rob Grainger Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:17:38 +0000 http://blog.3plus4.org/?p=175#comment-1729 In the presentation, Gilad speaks about how dynamic languages are uniquely suited to allowing IDE's to be edited in this way ("on the fly"). Eiffel has been managing most of this for years - its (ISE's implementation, now Open Source) IDE code is itself written in Eiffel and allows you to edit IDE code on the fly without restarting the whole kaboodle. Eiffel is a (very) strongly typed, (generally) statically compiled language. I believe it achieves this by supporting incremental compilations, and a development model that involves (without explicit developer interaction) "melting" code to render it to a dynamic state, and "freezing" code when its settled to achieve full optimisation. In a way, I see this as the other extreme of hot-spotting code - all code is optimised, but as its being worked on it can be rendered to a mode that facilitates hot-patching. In the presentation, Gilad speaks about how dynamic languages are uniquely suited to allowing IDE’s to be edited in this way (“on the fly”). Eiffel has been managing most of this for years – its (ISE’s implementation, now Open Source) IDE code is itself written in Eiffel and allows you to edit IDE code on the fly without restarting the whole kaboodle. Eiffel is a (very) strongly typed, (generally) statically compiled language.

I believe it achieves this by supporting incremental compilations, and a development model that involves (without explicit developer interaction) “melting” code to render it to a dynamic state, and “freezing” code when its settled to achieve full optimisation. In a way, I see this as the other extreme of hot-spotting code – all code is optimised, but as its being worked on it can be rendered to a mode that facilitates hot-patching.

]]> By: Mark Lee Smith http://blog.3plus4.org/2009/04/22/hopscotch-presentation-video-from-langnet/comment-page-1/#comment-1723 Mark Lee Smith Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:22:36 +0000 http://blog.3plus4.org/?p=175#comment-1723 Great work Vassili, very elegant indeed. Great work Vassili, very elegant indeed.

]]> By: Eliot Miranda http://blog.3plus4.org/2009/04/22/hopscotch-presentation-video-from-langnet/comment-page-1/#comment-1681 Eliot Miranda Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:55:13 +0000 http://blog.3plus4.org/?p=175#comment-1681 A masterful presentation of mastery. Sad to hear such resistance in the questions prior to Phil Wadler's. The presentation really does show what's so cool about dynamic languages and live reflective IDEs; great. Lovely to see the progress made. It is robust, does things that you simply don't see elsewhere: Moving a window dynamically from one GUI manager (Squeak's) to another Windows' native. Real reuse: free history. Non-modality. Wonderful stuff Vassili! A masterful presentation of mastery. Sad to hear such resistance in the questions prior to Phil Wadler’s. The presentation really does show what’s so cool about dynamic languages and live reflective IDEs; great.

Lovely to see the progress made. It is robust, does things that you simply don’t see elsewhere: Moving a window dynamically from one GUI manager (Squeak’s) to another Windows’ native. Real reuse: free history. Non-modality.

Wonderful stuff Vassili!

]]> By: Andrey Larionov http://blog.3plus4.org/2009/04/22/hopscotch-presentation-video-from-langnet/comment-page-1/#comment-1680 Andrey Larionov Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:24:33 +0000 http://blog.3plus4.org/?p=175#comment-1680 I anywhere avaliable no Silverlight required video? For Linux users it's not natural :) I anywhere avaliable no Silverlight required video? For Linux users it’s not natural :)

]]> By: ernest micklei http://blog.3plus4.org/2009/04/22/hopscotch-presentation-video-from-langnet/comment-page-1/#comment-1679 ernest micklei Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:31:33 +0000 http://blog.3plus4.org/?p=175#comment-1679 very much like the context dependent all-in-one-browser approach ; it really makes any Smalltalk browser in any other dialect look like legacy. very much like the context dependent all-in-one-browser approach ; it really makes any Smalltalk browser in any other dialect look like legacy.

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